Monday, September 23, 2013

Peshawar horror as Muslims massacre and maim Christians


It was the worst atrocity committed against Christians in Pakistan's entire history. Two Muslim suicide bombers entered All Saints Anglican Church in Peshawar, and slaughtered around 80 Christians and maimed many more as they worshipped God and praised Jesus. It was a jihadi bloodbath of butchery and carnage. 

And still the BBC led with the Nairobi atrocity, and placed the Peshawar horror beneath even Ed Miliband's mutterings about absolutely nothing. As the day progressed, the story languished beneath Angela Merkel's victory in Germany, suffering in Somalia and news of the Emmy awards in LA. But it was only 78 Christians, so it ended the day as a single line in the bottom left-hand corner; an insignificant indication; an obscure footnote.     


This is not, of course, a competition or crass game of numbers. But with fatalities in Pakistan exceeding those in Kenya, someone at Broadcasting House made the editorial decision that the Kenyan Westgate story vastly eclipsed that of Pakistan's Anglican Church; that the appalling plight of people murdered while shopping was more newsworthy than anything; and that Miliband muttering, Somalians suffering, Merkel's election victory and the annual Emmy awards were all worthy of greater attention than the butchery of Christians worshipping. This morning the story is nowhere. Even the Emmy triumph of Liberace is considered more newsworthy.

This is the British-interests factor as determined by the MSM.

Without media coverage we in the West cannot smell the fear of those Christians who are persecuted by Muslims all over the world.

And one or two of you might be wondering why His Grace has adopted 'Muslims' rather than 'Islamists'. The reason is simply because he is sick and tired of the PC distinction which has no meaning or traction at all in those countries where the 'Islamists' are on the ascendant. There they are simply Muslims, and their religion is Islam. And if moderate and peace-loving Muslims here wish to protest, please do so first against your Sunni-Salafi-Wahhabi brothers and sisters who believe it to be the will of Allah and the direction of Mohammed to walk into a church of worshipping Christians and blow them all to pieces - women and children and all. And don't simply protest with pious platitudes on a website, DO SOMETHING.

You have absolutely no idea how many Christians cower behind locked doors and boarded-up windows, living in terror of those who say they follow the example Mohammed in cleansing the land of non-Muslims. Jumma prayers too easily give way to bombs and bullets in these lands, and every day is a trial of terror against mob rule.

Christians routinely have their houses burned, their schools and hospitals destroyed, and their churches desecrated and vandalised. In Pakistan, it is not uncommon for entire Christian families to be burned to death inside their houses. The crime is allegedly 'blasphemy' against Islam - invariably baseless, but the summary punishment is meted out by a baying horde - sometimes thousands strong - and there is no mercy from the clubs, sticks and stones.

Christian towns and villages in Pakistan are being reduced to slums; poverty is endemic. Children are poorly educated (except in the private schools) and local politicians are corrupt. And this includes some of the Christian leaders, who have little concern for social welfare, security, justice or human rights.

Christians in Pakistan are hunted by complete strangers and haunted by fear. Muslims dare not convert or intermarry with Christians on pain of death. The pulpits whisper their sermons for fear of upsetting the mosques, and the graveyards are filling. There is social segregation, economic hardship and political disenfranchisement. Abduction and forced conversion to Islam are commonplace - especially among young girls. These are rarely reported to the police for fear of the consequences. 

Human Rights Watch has flagged up the appalling living conditions for Pakistan’s non-Muslims; the US Commission on International Religious Freedom regards it as a 'country of particular concern'. There is certainly no peace and brotherhood. To be a Christian in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is to be persecuted and oppressed. The Muslims who persecute and oppress the infidels are simply doing their job. Those who blow themselves up and kill Christians in their churches are martyrs for the cause of Allah and the greater glory of the Prophet of Islam.

May they rot in hell.





146 Comments:

Blogger Dreadnaught said...

A painful post succinctly expressed.

23 September 2013 at 09:02  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Probably the worst news posted on this blog ever. Deeply upsetting. Almost numbing in fact.

YG's anger is totally justified. I share it.

It is all too easy to despise the values driving the news priorities of the BBC.

Whilst exercising I heard the Radio 4 interview of Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali and he spoke clearly and well of course, arguing that the carnage against Christians and other religious minorities is now so severe across the Islamic world, that a special international peace keeping force is needed to protect them, as was set up for Bosnians etc.

23 September 2013 at 09:37  
Blogger IanCad said...

God Bless You YG

You have hit all the high notes.

"--And if moderate and peace-loving Muslims here wish to protest, please do so first against your Sunni-Salafi-Wahhabi brothers and sisters who believe it to be the will of Allah and the direction of Mohammed to walk into a church of worshipping Christians and blow them all to pieces - women and children and all. And don't simply protest with pious platitudes on a website, DO SOMETHING."

After every atrocity this same plea is made.

Nothing happens.

I am fast believing that the religion of the sword will only be defeated by that means.

May the victims be comforted in the mercy of Christ.

23 September 2013 at 09:37  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Cameron's in denial:

"These appalling terrorist attacks that take place where the perpetrators claim they do it in the name of a religion - they don't," he said.

"They do it in the name of terror, violence and extremism and their warped view of the world. They don't represent Islam or Muslims in Britain or anywhere else in the world."...

23 September 2013 at 09:42  
Blogger Roy said...

Perhaps the BBC, along with many British newspapers, has decided that massacres by fanatics in the Moslem world are so common that they are not worth devoting much air-time to, unless foreign tourists are involved.

There has been a third massacre in the last few days and, like the one in Pakistan, it has not received much media attention in Britain. That is the one in Nigeria.

Death toll in Nigeria attack up to 142
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/09/23/02/03/death-toll-in-nigeria-attack-up-to-142

23 September 2013 at 09:53  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

Well I wait to see how soon Cranmer will be pilloried for "islamophobia". I expect this article will be entered in the statistics of UK "hate-attacks" and left-wingers will call you a nazi.
Are you sure it is still legal to put such ideas on the internet?

23 September 2013 at 10:14  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

Cranmer's final sentence is hardly Christian.

23 September 2013 at 10:15  
Blogger LEN said...

As Islam is composed of' two houses' the' House of Peace' and 'the House of war' how can one side condone the other?. ..'A House divided cannot stand.'

Islam is a religion which glorifies death.Death to its own followers and death to anyone who is perceived as an 'enemy of Islam'.
Islam cannot change.So the killing will go on.And those within Islam will remain silent are as much trapped by Islam as those outside it.

All that Islam can guarantee is death and western politicians are seen as 'weak fools' by those who intend to dominate the entire world with this oppressive murderous religion.

23 September 2013 at 10:19  
Blogger bluedog said...

Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Kenya, the slaughter never stops, Your Grace. It is truly sickening.

Where is the Western politician who understands the full dimension of the problem and who has the courage to say what needs to be said? The problem is Islam.

Cameron has presumably spoken to Warsi before his utterance, and we can assume Cameron has merely repeated what she told him. Of course it suits Cameron and the rest of the political class to remain in denial. The alternative is too awful to contemplate - Muslim populations in the West present a mortal threat. As they do, and most communicants appreciate this fact.

Once this point is conceded, the entire multi-culti project collapses and some very extreme measures will be needed to deal with Islamic populations within the West. It is only a matter of time before a white Christian enclave within a Muslim majority district, somewhere in the West, is butchered in imitation of the outrages that we now see.

23 September 2013 at 10:24  
Blogger LEN said...

Julia,Cranmer`s statement(may they rot in hell) whilst perhaps not pleasing the' PC brigade' is a statement I totally agree with.

The Gates of Hell will swing open wide to receive all murderers (religious or not)

23 September 2013 at 10:27  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

@ bluedog

An odd but little-noticed policy U-turn is Ed Milliband's promise (probably worth as much as any other politician's promises) to reduce 'non-EU' (euphemim for 'Muslim') immigration.

Stable doors and horses come to mind.

Perhaps Milliband is slightly more in touch with reality than Cameron. Of course it's far too late to prevent the eventual bloody jihad in Briain, as the momentum of Islamic birthrates resulting from Tony B. Liar's open door policies will guarrantee much trouble to come.

Also Milliband's policy won't prevent large numbers of EU-citizen Muslims moving into Britain when the continental countries eventually go Fascist and make life very uncomfortable for their Muslim populations (e.g. National Front government in France).

23 September 2013 at 10:28  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

You are right on the money with this sermon YG. Atrocities are accelerating worldwide.

Western governments sit idly by and let Muslims gain demographic ascendancy within their own lands. So devoted are they to misguided multicultural idealism that they risk procrastinating until democracy is irreversibly turned against them.

Christians in Muslim dominated lands now have no place in their own countries. How long before we have no place in ours?

23 September 2013 at 10:32  
Blogger Roy Tindle said...

And how many innocent people killed by drones launched and controlled by Christians? Then look back on the formation of Pakistan and western intervention in Afghanistan - including the arming of the Taliban by a Christian nation, the USA. What about the daily deaths in Iraq, following our intervention?

No one can, in truth, justify any of the violence but God is just as saddened by the death of his Muslim children as he is by that of Christians - or doesn't that fit your theology?

I have been an active Christian for well over half a century and much of that in the Church of England. Over those years I have worked with, made friends with and lived alongside many people of other faiths, in particular, Muslims. In my relationships with Islam I have had one long email discussion with a fundamentalist, in New York, and many, many face to face meetings and conversations with friendly, welcoming Muslims who recognise that we both worship the same God.

I am appalled by the attacks in Pakistan and Kenya and also by the anti Islamic attitudes of those, here, who should know better. It was a citizen of Samaria that rescued and cared for the traveller that had been attacked by robbers.

23 September 2013 at 10:34  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Of course our politicians are in denial. If they faced facts they'd have to take actions.

I like the definition of an Islamophobe posted here recently-someone who knows more than they are supposed to about Islam.

Read the Quran. I keep mine next to Mein Kampf and Origin of Species in the downstairs toilet. Three great world changing books from authors inspired by the same muse.

23 September 2013 at 10:37  
Blogger B flat said...

Thank you for speaking out. I hope the politicians who read you are revivified by your words. Their somnambulence and inaction in the face of thruth is leading me to despair of this United Kingdom. This is the reason I will vote for devolution. HM Govt simply does not listen, or care for, the people, either in this land or elsewhere. It runs with the international lemmings after dubious and alien agendas.

23 September 2013 at 10:42  
Blogger Jim McLean said...

Roy Tindle, I am afraid you miss the point. We are not talking about atrocities committed by secular governments who happen to come from from countries which had Christianity as their home religion.

The drones you refer to were not launched by "Christians". They were not launched by anyone involved in a religious cause of any kind, or in the name of any religion.

The massacre in Pakistan was committed as a religious and sectarian act by Muslim people in the name of Islam.

You appear to be deliberately confusing completely different htings for the purposes of mischief.

23 September 2013 at 10:50  
Blogger Theo said...

Has anyone noticed a new Islamic freeview channel "Peace tv" on their tele. It's logo states "Peace tv The Solution for Humanity"

Roy Tindle
It seems that you've been taken in by their lie that we worship the same god. It must be encouraging for them to have such "useful idiots" in our midst. They probably think that we'll eventually fall for the "religion of peace" line as well because of people like you.

23 September 2013 at 10:57  
Blogger bluedog said...

Roy Tindle @ 10.34 says, 'Then look back on the formation of Pakistan...'.

I'm looking back and all I can see is Mahommed Jinnah demanding a separate Islamic state for the Muslims of British India. He got what he wanted.

Your point?

23 September 2013 at 11:01  
Blogger David B said...

It certainly seems that the coverage of these two atrocities was far greater regarding the one than the other.

Perhaps the fact (it is a fact, isn't it?) that British subjects were involved in the Kenyan atrocity, but I haven't heard of any from the Pakistani one might be a reason why the former got some preference, but, if so, it doesn't seem like a very good reason to me.

It might also be that the Kenyan one is rarer than Pakistani atrocities, which one way or another seem to happen on an almost daily basis.

But that seems a pretty poor reason not to cover the latter as well.

But are Muslim atrocities against Christians intrinsically more newsworthy than Muslim atrocities against other Muslims?

Or, for that matter, Hindus. It isn't prominent in the media either, but I'm gathering that there is a very significant amount of atrocity and and forcing people from their homes in India, too, both Hindu on Muslim and vice versa.

Sometimes I regret that there is no Hell, where those who kill and persecute in the name of any religion against another, or any sect of any religion against any religion or sect of their own religion might spend eternity.

David

23 September 2013 at 11:02  
Blogger bluedog said...

Thanks, seanrobsville, some important things to keep an eye on. The French won't be taking prisoners if the Muslims get out of hand, that much is certain.

23 September 2013 at 11:07  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The BBC make me want to vomit. The day the mall massacre news broke the BBC were there, informing us that the attack was in retaliation for something or other. Not the Islamists fault, you see.

Bastards.

23 September 2013 at 11:08  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

@ Roy Tindle

Muslims are theologically committed to killing non-dhimmi Christians and Jews. Always have been, always will be.

Islam divides people into two antagonistic groups - Muslims (collectively known as the Ummah) versus Kaffirs (aka Kufr, Kuffars, Infidels or non-believers).

Kaffirs are subdivided further - Jews and Christians who accept the supremacy of Islam are known as Dhimmis, and are allowed to live as second-class citizens, provided they pay the extortionate Jizya (infidel tax) to their Muslim masters. The state of being a submissive Dhimmi is known as Dhimmitude.

Buddhists, Pagans and members of all other 'non-Abrahamic' religions, together with secularists, and those Jews and Christians who do not accept Muslim domination, are regarded as Harbis - targets of war.

Islam is at permanent war with Harbis, even if the Harbis don't actually do anything to annoy Muslims. The Harbis' mere existence is itself an act of war. A Harbi has no rights, not even the right to live. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

23 September 2013 at 11:13  
Blogger Nick said...

Your Grace

I share your outrage at these atrocites against Christians and your anger at the sickening and crass bias of the BBC and other media outlets.


My own small contribution is that I am drafting a letter to William Hague about the plight of Chrisitians in the region. A drop in the ocean I know, but if lots of people did it.....

As to the BBC, they are an utter disgrace and are pathologically biased in their reporting. I look forward to the day the licence fee is abolished.

23 September 2013 at 11:17  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

Roy Tindle@10:34

You may associate with moderate, peaceful Muslims but there's nothing moderate or peaceful about their religion. Might they not be happy to hide that while in the minority?

There have been many reports of Christians abroad being attacked by Muslim neighbours with whom they previously enjoyed constructive and cordial relations over many years. For some reason these people suddenly join the mob. I suspect that it is spiritualy driven. Whoever their god is, he is not the father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Where were your "citizens of Samaria" when Lee Rigby was set upon by murderous fanatics? I remember seeing a woman but she wasn't wearing a hijab.

23 September 2013 at 11:21  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Nothing yet in in our Canadian "legacy media" row. Perhaps hard to find a sports/lifestyle/entertainment angle. Until then. Can we get someone with more insight, depth and intellectual traction ...like, say, Brad Pitt or Madonna... to comment on this?

Roy Tindle, one struggles hard to comment on your comment, but the same words keep flashing and waving in fluorescents before the mind's eye: You're a bleeding idiot. Maybe I'll think of something better later.

May you go from strength to strength, Your Grace, and may the Almighty shield you from the buggers who'll try to shame or shut you up.

23 September 2013 at 11:40  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Roy Tindle (10:34)—As seanrobsville has pointed out, your ‘friendly, welcoming Muslims’ follow a religion that treats non-Muslims in a distinctly unfriendly and unwelcoming manner. The book of Islamic law, Reliance of the Traveller, sets out the basis by which non-Muslims are allowed to live (in both senses of the word) in a Muslim country:

‘o11.1 A formal agreement of protection is made with citizens who are: (1) Jews; (2) Christians; (3) Zoroastrians; (4) Samarians and Sabians, if their religions do not respectively contradict the fundamental bases of Judaism and Christianity; (5) and those who adhere to the religion of Abraham or one of the other prophets (upon whom be blessings and peace).

‘o11.2 Such an agreement may not be effected with those who are idol worshippers, or those who do not have a Sacred Book or something that could have been a Book. (Something that could have been a Book refers to those like the Zoroastrians, who have remnants resembling an ancient Book. As for the pseudoscriptures of cults that have appeared since Islam such as the Sikhs, Baha’is, Mormons, Qadianis, etc, they neither are nor could be a Book, since the Koran is the final revelation.)

‘o11.3 Such an agreement is only valid when the subject peoples: (a) follow the rules of Islam; (b) and pay the non-Muslim poll tax (jizyah).

‘o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:

(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, to ring church bells or display crosses, recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feast days;
(7) and are forbidden to build new churches.

‘o11.9 If non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state refuse to conform to the rules of Islam, or to pay the non-Muslim poll tax, then their agreement with the state has been violated.’

One of the penalties for breaking the agreement is death. If All Saints had been ringing a bell or displaying a cross, it brought its fate on itself under Islamic law. Friendly and welcoming?

23 September 2013 at 11:59  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
This is so tragic, both in Pakistan and here at the BBC. I just don't know what to say that would ease their plight. Your article helps by showing some of us what is going on. Keep up the good work and we will do what we can to reach out to thase that can influence.

23 September 2013 at 12:12  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Can’t offer much in the way of hope here after the dismal news, but let us give thanks and praise to our most efficient security services...

MI5, MI6, and GCHQ

Islam knows no boundaries, and we have plenty of shopping malls with as little as two main entrances.

Let us further pray that these organisations are not infiltrated by militants hiding as careerists, lest their sterling work be compromised...


23 September 2013 at 12:23  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

May they rot in hell.

Such might have been said of Saul of Tarsus at one time.

This is exactly the judgment that we as Christians are prohibited from making. And why? Because the distance from those bombers to every other man (including we ourselves) is infinitesimal. They are not more worthy of Hellfire than everyone else reading this weblog. Remember the parable of the Unmerciful servant. By analogy, the bombers owe 100 denarii to those they killed. We each owe 10,000 talents to the Living God. Just because we judge ourselves more righteous than the bombers does not mean that we are in fact more righteous.

By the measure you judge, so you will be judged.

carl

23 September 2013 at 12:58  
Blogger Nick said...

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23 September 2013 at 12:59  
Blogger Nick said...

Sadly, when we get the next 7/7 we will get the usual feeble response from politicians and media:

BBC will be "analysing" what social issues drove them to do it

Cameron & Co will be convening meetings with the muslim leaders to improve relationships with the Muslim community

C4 will be trying to cheer us up by telling us how good the emergency services were.

It will be the usual collective head-up-arse response

23 September 2013 at 13:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl. One does rather presume to say that your Calvinist rot at 12:58 is a smidgeon out of place here...

Remove it at once !

23 September 2013 at 13:02  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

OIG

1. What I wrote could have been written by the rankest Arminian, so if you are going to make a criticism, at least get the criticism right.

2. Even so, I should never want to upset you, so I will get right on the task of deleting that comment. You just hold your breath until it's gone.

carl

23 September 2013 at 13:14  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl, dear fellow, if the Inspector had the slightest inkling that you would delete one of your less attractive comments on this site at his request, he would most certainly not have asked you to do so...

23 September 2013 at 13:30  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Just for once, I'm right there beside Cranmer.

23 September 2013 at 13:38  
Blogger Peter D said...

Carl
"May they rot in hell".

For what its worth, I agree with your comment at 12:58 and with Julia Gasper at 10:15. We worship a God whose dying words on the Cross He was murdered upon were Love and not condemnation:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

We should be praying that these people are freed from this evil ideology that possesses and drives them - not wishing Hell upon anyone. Even the Christian Inquisition was driven by the intention to secure Heaven and not Hell for heretics.

And lest the Inspector misunderstands, this doesn't mean I don't whole heartedly support the rest of this article and share the anger and despair behind the comment. I believe Islam as a faith system will have to be crushed and along the way many Muslims may have to die.

23 September 2013 at 13:41  
Blogger FrankFisher said...

The BBC is absolutely the worst thing in this country, and until it is destroyed none of our other problems can be tackled.

23 September 2013 at 13:44  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Question to Sean or possibly Johnny R, who both know a lot about Islam (I 'm still learning Arabic, so it's hard going). I thought we were all 'kaffur' and 'infidels' or is that something different?

23 September 2013 at 13:48  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Hannah K—Infidel is ‘kafir’ in Arabic. The plural is ‘kuffar’.

23 September 2013 at 13:54  
Blogger Kiran Lotay said...

Your Grace,

Speaking about this is so important. So thank you. I would strongly urge you to reconsider your last statement here, however: "may they rot in hell". Some of the Christians whose deaths you are so enraged by would have rebuked you for saying that, because they prayed for their murderers as they died. I don't want to spout platitudes, but I will quote Scripture, because it is true. "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Keep speaking and telling their story. But for the love of your brothers and sisters and the God we share, please do not hate.

Yours in Christ,

Kiran

23 September 2013 at 14:01  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

HI Johnny,

Thanks for that (:

I am aware that if Islam were a cat, it can change a leopard's spots. Despite wot Mr Tindle says, even 'moderate' Islamic governments can turn at a whim, see Iraq after 1948... a group of educated and relatively rich people who'd done nothing other than play a key economic/political and cultural role in a country were turned into refugees - literally 'Paddington bears'- (one suitcase only, after you get chucked out, if you were lucky enough not to go into prison and do 5 years hard labour) overnight.

23 September 2013 at 14:01  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Well we ALL know Carl's position there, so there it is; I only object if that belief turns into a temporal power, like, erm 'the Spanish inquisition'.

Besides which it is as Peter D would say 'telling it as it is' (like Pope Francis does). I just wish we could have a musical app to these posts; perhaps in this case 'I am the god of hellfire- terderm- and I'll teach you to learn... burn!'

23 September 2013 at 14:04  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Or for Peter D, the song 'hellfire' from Disney's 'the hunchback'...

23 September 2013 at 14:10  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Even over at the Telegraph, Your Grace, "newsworthiness" does not extend so far as placing Pakistani Christians martyred for their faith anywhere at all on the online front page, except for an incisive, though all too brief, comment piece:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

An hour or so ago, the Peshawar murders were still there, but somewhere lower down than Amanda Knox and her lie detector test.

23 September 2013 at 14:13  
Blogger Buddhist Logic said...

Whenever someone makes the bogus distinction between Muslim and Islamist, ask them whether Mohammed was an Islamist or a Muslim.

He used genocidal violence in order to destroy a multicultural society (jews, pagans, christians), and instituted a dictatorship based on sharia law. Exactly what we are supposed to believe that "violent islamists" seek to do.

23 September 2013 at 14:24  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Today, stopping off in the small town of Eye, Suffolk, I went into the ancient, beautiful church, an Anglo-Catholic one, not that that matters, and lit a candle for the comfort of those maimed and for the living relatives of the murdered and the maimed - a small gesture of solidarity but it helped I believe.

Roy Tindle.

Sorry, this Anglican reads the Bible daily and I've studied it formally, academically, and comparing it to the Koran, which I've read twice now, with some of the Hadith, I can only conclude that sadly, we do not worship the same God. Look too at the reality of those parts of the world in which Islam dominates. You are misdirecting yourself for very human, understandable reasons. You are attempting to fit the "theory", the different Scriptures, to the pleasant people that I accept you have met. If you were right, which I wish you were, we would be overwhelmed by western Muslims, who are free to express their views, demonstrating, writing and demanding that foreign governments and OUR government takes actions to protect religious minorities in Muslim dominated lands. But we are usually deafened by the silence, sadly.

23 September 2013 at 14:31  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

It doesn't need to be said that my thoughts and prayers are with the families who have been victims of sectarian murders. Britain, America,Israel, Kenya, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Bali, Bombay and so many other places, too many to mention. War and war. So much for peace and Mr Tindle's hugs and kisses.

23 September 2013 at 14:54  
Blogger Preacher said...

The Killing will continue because Islam is a religion of fear. It's followers have no freewill or choice of which faith to follow & the only response to the Christian faith is to silence it through fear & persecution or outright murder. But Jesus called Satan a liar & murderer from the beginning so it's easy to see who's behind this religion.
Satan thought that death would silence Christ, but the plot backfired & three days later, the Lord called an eternal 'Checkmate' on His adversary, whose deluded followers still try to win using the same tactics. Without realising they are a forlorn hope, whose judgement is forthcoming & eternal unless they have the courage to accept Christ as Lord & Saviour.
The true Martyrs for Christ will be vindicated on the day of judgement as they enjoy the places prepared for them since the start of the creation. One hopes they will feel a little pity for their murderers as they receive their eternal sentences.

23 September 2013 at 15:08  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Fleet Street and broadcasters may have buried the story to keep the peace on our own streets, government and MSM policy on Islam being to buy time in the hope that Islam will reform itself by rejecting the bulk of its teachings—a hope as forlorn as they come. The longer we blind ourselves to the irreconcilability of Islam with European civilization, the more grief we store up for ourselves and our descendants.

23 September 2013 at 15:14  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Johnny Rottenborough,

You've reached the same conclusion as I had, some time ago. The media silence and the ritual statements from the PM are the "Danegeld", the price we pay, to buy time, hoping for the emergence of a peaceful, western version of the faith.
One wonders what success, if any, the small academic group based in Oxford will have in attempting to develop a western friendly version of the faith. Whilst I wish them "Godspeed" , I'm a realist on most things, including that one.

23 September 2013 at 15:46  
Blogger Ian G said...

Len. As Islam is composed of' two houses' the' House of Peace' and 'the House of war' how can one side condone the other?. ..'A House divided cannot stand.'

Unfortunately, your understanding is incorrect. The 'House of Peace' or Dar-al-Islam id Islam. The House of War or Dar-al-Harb is the rest of us.

Although the following link is now some months old, summarises the situation in Islam and offers an effective test of a religion.

http://thealmondrod.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/do-we-need-islamic-reformation.html

23 September 2013 at 16:03  
Blogger Drastic Plastic said...

And if you read the stories on BBC teletext, which is split over two pages, neither mentioned Moslems until the very bottom of page 2. And then in weasel words.

Privatise this nest of hateful trots now.

23 September 2013 at 16:09  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Your Grace, I notice that you write, just a line up from the end:

Those who blow themselves up and kill Christians in their churches are martyrs for the cause of Allah [. . .]

I would suggest that the word "martyrs" is best reserved for those who suffer martyrdom, rather than for vile murdering thugs. Moslem propagandists commonly misuse the word in that sense, which is a form of Newspeak, parallel to designations such as the "German Democratic Republic", the official name of the former Communist East Germany. And just as East Germany was eventually consigned to the memory hole, so, please God, will Moslem fanaticism too soon vanish from the face of the earth.

I realise, of course, that for the purpose of irony you were enclosing the word in unwritten quotation marks in this instance. Neverthess, Your Grace, may I suggest restricting the use of the word "martyr" to those who were martyred by their enemies, as the Anglicans of Peshawar were. There is no such thing, there never has been any such thing, as a so-called "martyr" who killed himself because he freely chose to and for no other reason.

23 September 2013 at 16:09  
Blogger Lord Oscar Marlbury said...

Your Grace,

Firstly our thoughts and prayers should be with the families who have been slaughtered in this latest atrocity. That the propaganda machine that is the BBC barely notifies this of the public is a disgrace.

Secondly,it must be acknowledged that we are at war with the fundamentalist savages. Let us not mince words here. This is world war IV and it is either our civilisation or the theirs. As the great American President Bush once said 'you are either with us or for the terrorists'.

Thirdly, it just goes to show that the British Empire was dismantled prematurely- albeit because 6 years of war against the Fascist exhausted our economy if not our pluck- is it not that case that the world would be a more civilised place if there was still the Empire upon which the sun never set?

23 September 2013 at 16:20  
Blogger LEN said...

Ian G,Thank you for your post.

I was trying to make a distinction between' peaceful Muslims' and those who carry out atrocities worldwide.
I realise that is a complicated issue with all the different sects within Islam.
I wonder when politicians will wake up and realise that Islam has a plan for the entire World?.

23 September 2013 at 16:23  
Blogger Jim McLean said...

This is a BBC Top Story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24201526

This is not: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24201240

23 September 2013 at 16:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len, you certainly are getting it wrong today. One of the most profound of statements the Inspector read on this site a couple of years ago is...

“There is no good Islam, there is no bad Islam. There is just Islam”

If you find ‘good’ ones, peaceful ones, what in your eyes makes them good. That they deign your life not worth taking – just yet ?

23 September 2013 at 16:45  
Blogger JPT said...

The scumbag BBC now calls Muslim terrorists 'militants'.

23 September 2013 at 16:51  
Blogger David Anderson said...

"May they rot in hell."

May they repent and become new people who take the good news of Jesus to those who still live in darkness.

23 September 2013 at 16:53  
Blogger LEN said...

Inspector ,
there are differing sects within Islam some more radical than others.


What turns a Muslim who is peaceful (by definition obeying the laws of the land) into a 'fundamentalist 'or 'Jihadist' is a question every Government should be asking?.

23 September 2013 at 17:11  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What turns a Muslim who is peaceful (by definition obeying the laws of the land) into a 'fundamentalist 'or 'Jihadist' is a question every Government should be asking?.

Coming into contact with non muslims, you fool...

23 September 2013 at 17:21  
Blogger LEN said...

I would think a Christian living in a Muslim dominated Country would have to be extremely brave to even consider preaching the gospel.
Our only hope is that evangelism can be carried out through the internet or TV.There certainly seems to be an upsurge of violence towards Christians and Jews within Islamic Countries.
With Islam there can be 'no leaving the faith' and preaching the Gospel carries a death sentence.

23 September 2013 at 17:22  
Blogger LEN said...

Inspector,

'What turns a Muslim who is peaceful (by definition obeying the laws of the land) into a 'fundamentalist 'or 'Jihadist' is a question every Government should be asking?.'


I would think you would do also?.

23 September 2013 at 17:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Just a thought from the Inspector about the BBC.

It’s not the idea of it that needs closing down, it’s their Marxist-Leninist newsroom.

Contract it out. Five year franchise...


23 September 2013 at 17:58  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Islam didn't get to be the world's second largest religion by the beauty of its art, the spirituality of its music, the profundity of its philosophy or the compassion of its ethics.

It got where it is today by genocide, persecution, terrorism, intimidation, extortion, mutilation, slavery, repression, pedophilia, incest and rape.

So why change things when you've got a winning formula?

23 September 2013 at 18:01  
Blogger Damian said...

Bluedog said,

Some important things to keep an eye on. The French won't be taking prisoners if the Muslims get out of hand, that much is certain.

You are joking mate surely?
There at present some 700 plus no go zones for whites/christians in France including the latest one Marseille.


Len said

What turns a Muslim who is peaceful (by definition obeying the laws of the land) into a 'fundamentalist 'or 'Jihadist' is a question every Government should be asking?.

An easy one that, when Islam gains the ascendency/majority.

23 September 2013 at 18:14  
Blogger Lord Oscar Marlbury said...

Inspector,

The trouble is that WE all pay for the bloody BBC- £100 a year! And for what? Socialist drivel. But if you do not pay the tax, then you are taken to court and cannot watch any other channel. Socialism at its worst.

23 September 2013 at 18:15  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

David Anderson

"May they repent and become new people who take the good news of Jesus to those who still live in darkness."

In that pile of bodies are children whom God, Creator of the Universe, made perfect so that they will spend eternity with him

God is not neutral on these sort of things God is completely outraged that anyone would want to do these sort of thing to his children. If you don't think so then you read a different Bible to me.

So what is God's plan for sorting this out and making it stop? We don't know but we are sure it will be lovely etc?

No David WE are the PLAN.

We always have been. A NT example, loaves and fishes for the 5000. God could have sorted it without out our help (e.g. manna) but his plan was that we had to be part of the solution.

I think in this case however, an OT solution is more relevant!

Phil


23 September 2013 at 18:20  
Blogger Peter D said...

Hannah
"Or for Peter D, the song 'hellfire' from Disney's 'the hunchback'..."

Ooooo .... how wicked and a cheap shot on a very serious subject.
A bit of projection there, me thinks. mE, I'm more inclined towards the song "Heaven's Light".

Inspector
History suggests secularisation and toleration can only be imposed in Muslim States by strong dictators or an absolute Monarch. Such imposition will contain the 'faith' not eradicate it. Answer, eradicate the extremists - worldwide - and stop their principle source of funding.

23 September 2013 at 18:23  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Len,

Evangelizing in Muslim dominated lands. Risky ? Indeed. Open Doors are the experts. Other denominations stick to Commonwealth countries and traditional Christian ones, as in South America. They started by smuggling Bibles behind the old Iron Curtain - it's a bit "cloak and dagger" at times or "Cloak with Bible underneath" is more appropriate.

Open Doors operate throughout the Islamic world. They are ecumenical - excellent ! Their prayer and collection base is Ireland and the UK, the geographical, British Isles. There is a network of volunteers, speakers and area organizers, who attempt to create local social groupings, for mutual support. I am a recent, volunteer area organizer. Have a look at their website. They are active in Syria.

23 September 2013 at 18:43  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Peter D,

Cheap? Cheap? Moi? I think you'll find I am the most expensive indulgence going!

Now as run along and bother someone else...

23 September 2013 at 19:35  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Debate motion : 'Len of the Cranmer blog should be the Apostle to Islam in the middle east'.

Ayes to the rights, Nayes to the left!

Division called!

23 September 2013 at 19:39  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ David Hussell (15:46)—Taj Hargey and his Oxford Movement are also buying time, giving what they know perfectly well to be false hope that Islam can reform. They are the most effective Muslims of all: calm, soft-spoken, seemingly Westernized but, with Islam’s blessing, lying to the infidel to advance the faith.

23 September 2013 at 19:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Steady on Oscar, some of us gratefully prize being able to watch television without quarter hour suggestions that you too can change to a better sanitary towel.

The BBC is an institution. The finest of the fine. The only problem is the news service which is currently in house. Cultural Marxists are naturally attracted to the public domain. You see, it’s somewhat freer of predators who would bite them on the neck to despatch them, which of course, is what they deserve and would happen to them in the real world.

A fellow sticks to his earlier proposal. Privatise the news service, and all will be well...


23 September 2013 at 19:50  
Blogger LEN said...

Thanks for the information David Hussell.. I will certainly investigate further.

Hannah... I have been in Muslim Countries and I don`t envy anyone attempting to preach the Gospel there although the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only hope Muslims have(as indeed the rest of us)

23 September 2013 at 19:55  
Blogger Roy said...

Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ David Hussell (15:46)—Taj Hargey and his Oxford Movement are also buying time, giving what they know perfectly well to be false hope that Islam can reform. They are the most effective Muslims of all: calm, soft-spoken, seemingly Westernized but, with Islam’s blessing, lying to the infidel to advance the faith.

How do you know that Taj Hargey et al are "lying"? They might be regarded as useful tools/fools by more militant moslems, but even so they might themselves be perfectly sincere, and they might even manage to persuade some of the more militant moslems in the country that hating infidels is contrary to the will of God.

23 September 2013 at 20:16  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Hannah Kavanagh, Len,

Wise decision Len. You nor I wouldn't stand a chance. Folk like us are best collecting, organizing and praying. The only hope for a Christian surviving long term in some of these environments is to be totally immersed, preferably since birth, in the local language, dialect culture and its ways. Sometimes it's literally about living two lives and it's always about knowing which risks can be taken and are survivable. There are some brave saints out there.

Inspector.

Privatise the news service, job done ....
You have a good point. The news service is the worst of it, the centre of the bias, and that represents an essential first step. But it still leaves current affairs, the culture of waste, its "London" centric DNA, the moral laxness recently exposed over the Saville scandals, over inflated salaries and the general feeling of "jobs for the friends and family" syndrome.
I want a root and branch reform.

But I agree we don't want to destroy the good bits like nature programs and outdoor stuff - although recently an agronomist relative told me that even Country File has gone very obviously pro EU and PC !

Even the weather service refuses to use both, Centigrade and Fahrenheit, unlike ITV.

The rot is deep! Needs a root and branch reform.

23 September 2013 at 20:19  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Roy (20:16)—Hating infidels is not contrary to the will of Allah. He encourages it.

23 September 2013 at 20:22  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Roy, Johhny Rottenborough,

Taj Hargey,

I have no idea of whether this is a deception, but I am inclined to assume people are innocent until proven guilty, whilst always being ready to spot any adverse information. So if it has four legs, barks and wags its tail it's a dog ! Yes, be alert, agreed.

However, I wish them success, but I'm not holding my breath. If his "outfit" was a PLC it wouldn't be adding them to my portfolio.

23 September 2013 at 20:28  
Blogger Lord Oscar Marlbury said...

Mr Inspector,

Alas if one were to privatise the public broadcasting, you would get 'sanitary towels' on every single channel. I maintain the best way to avoid this is to remind the BBC that they are NOT the mouthpiece for the left/liberals or an extension of the Guardian. If we all pay the fee to watch ANY TV to feather the nests of the liberal bbc, then we all have the right to challenge its political left-liberal-socialist agenda.

23 September 2013 at 20:45  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

Inspector

It may be just my perception but I reckon a lot of BBC (and other) soaps and modern drama also drip feed Cultural Marxism
into the unsuspecting minds of viewers. On the other hand one might argue that they are just reflecting society as it is. Anyway there seems to me to be some sort of "feedback loop" reinforcing the lefty agenda.



23 September 2013 at 20:49  
Blogger Lord Oscar Marlbury said...

Well chaps, I will vote for LEN to be the Christian Apostle of the Epistle to the entirely loving, peaceful and in no way violent Mujahadein of the middle east; if anyone can evangelize then it is this man.

First mission- prince peace to the Israel -Palestine conflict.

23 September 2013 at 20:50  
Blogger Peter D said...

Hannah said ...
"I think you'll find I am the most expensive indulgence going!"

Being a gentleman, I could not possibly comment.

23 September 2013 at 20:53  
Blogger Bishop Alan Wilson said...

This crime against humanity should be exposed for what it is. And the Christian response is to fight fire, not with fire, but water...

23 September 2013 at 21:04  
Blogger Peter D said...

Oscar
"I will vote for LEN to be the Christian Apostle of the Epistle to the entirely loving, peaceful and in no way violent Mujahadein of the middle east ..."

I'll second that. He'll make a fine mendicant missionary. First stop Tehran; then Damascus; followed by Cairo and Riyadh. A quick whistle stop visit to Gaza and then the West Bank. How can he fail?

23 September 2013 at 21:22  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Bishop Alan, not for me to say what a Christian response should be like, but your water/fire analogy is not too clear to me. If Western nations "of interest" to Pakistan were to send its diplomats packing, stopped issuing visitors' and students' visas and suspended trade, would that be fire or water? Not that such a thing would ever happen in this Universe, of course, but just hypothetically.

23 September 2013 at 21:28  
Blogger bluedog said...

Damian @ 18.14 asks 'You're joking mate surely?'

No, not all and the 750 or so zones sensibles are familiar. Interestingly the British police publish no such list, but they probably should in the cause of public safety.

This communicant believes that deep in the French race memory lies the victory of Charles Martel over the Muslim invaders at the first Battle of Poitiers in 732, Anno Domini. At some point a French leader will emerge who will seek to emulate Martel and claim la gloire. How about Marine le Pen as an improbable fusion of Martel and Joan of Arc?

We shall see. I am confident.

23 September 2013 at 21:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Farewell Len. As you leave the Middle Eastern airport, and the security guards wave you goodbye, remember this. The Inspector always thought of your posts here as so much extreme protestant ignorant bullshit. But your death will convince this man this – there goes a man who gave his life for Christ, and willingly too...

23 September 2013 at 21:33  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Regarding Len, whatever his theology and politics, especially the former, which differs radically from mine, I'm always grateful for his consistent support of Jews and the Jewish state, Israel. Why he does so may be a mystery, but that to me is no small matter and for that I will always consider him a friend. Just saying.

23 September 2013 at 21:36  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

Firstly, the lack of coverage in the British press of this appalling mass murder is sadly not surprising to anyone who's read the papers and watched the BBC in the last few years.

And with all Christians and indeed all men and women of good will, my prayers go out to those mourning loved ones in this horrific attack in Pakistan.

And for those who were murdered and who now see their Redeemer face to face, all one can say is, as ever;

Rest eternal grant unto them, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon them. May they rest in peace, Amen.

23 September 2013 at 21:39  
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23 September 2013 at 21:50  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

To clarify, Len is indeed kind and thoughtful when it comes to Israel.

23 September 2013 at 22:20  
Blogger Lord Oscar Marlbury said...

Mr Barzel,

I was not joking in said statement above; if any man jack can give the heathens what for,i believe Len is clearly your man.

Supporter of Israel? Naturally old son! Those who do not accept a Jewish state are deserved only of the lunatic anti-semitic fringe- esq -madmen types!

23 September 2013 at 22:38  
Blogger LEN said...

There is a petition to sign on the 'Open Doors' website

" We believe the signatures and prayers of 500,000 people will encourage the UN to act and protect the rights and lives of all Syrians, especially the vulnerable Christian community .www.opendoorsuk.org/

23 September 2013 at 23:47  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Lord Marlbury, a pleasure to make my acquaintance. Begging your pardon for my haste, but family matters are coming up as I type...translate as a kid needs a ride to a friend's now, this very moment, or she'll die of sorrow.

Indeed so, Len would do quite a number on the perfidious Moors, especially with my friend Carl here to provide the colourful Calvinist visuals of the Hell that might await them. And true, while those who do not accept a Jewish state are as you describe them, still friendship even tolerance is a rare and precious gift, never to be taken for granted at these times.

24 September 2013 at 00:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...



Len. You still around ? Shouldn’t you be on your way to the airport with your last will and testament in your pocket ?

{AN ASIDE} Don’t you just hate it when a born again refuses to give his life up for nothing ?

24 September 2013 at 00:34  
Blogger non mouse said...

May they rot in hell. One is rather fascinated by this thought, Your Grace - and by the limitates responses to it so far.

My own reaction, of course, is predicated upon Chaucerian imagery and the ancient idea that this world, especially in the torrid reaches of the Middle East, is at the very Gate of Hell. [[Apparently that Italian fella thought so as well.]]

Certainly, in The House of Fame Geffrey leaves Virgil's version of untruths behind in the Underworld; only--
When I out at the dores cam,
I faste aboute me beheld.
Then sawghI but a large feld,
As fer as that I mighte see,
Withuoten toun,or hous,or tree,
Or bush, or grass or eryd lond,
For al the feld nas but of sond
As smal as man may se yet lye
In the desert of Lybye.
Ne no maner creature
That is yformed be Nature
Ne sawgh I me to rede or wisse.
"O Crist," thoughte I, "that art in blysse,
Fro fantome and illusion
Me save!"
(HOF 480-494.

....And then his eagle appeared and carried him to certain heights of illumination.

After the dreaming poet returned to our benighted depths, he produced his Canterbury Tales for our erudition. Therein, it may be argued, various verminous versions of 'humanity' suffer diseases consequent upon their 'professions.' For example the Canon's Yeoman, approaching the end of his earthly pilgrimage and alchemical workings,* is so sickened as to be wan and of a leden hewe. He is clearly rotting to death.

The thing about all the rotting flesh on the pilgrimage is, of course, that the souls inhabiting it are about to be released: but this time at the gates of the holy martyr's city ... Canterbury.

Whither the souls? Only Christ knows.

From this perspective, my response to Your Grace can only be: "Amen."
______________________

*we may read these as both physical and metaphorical

24 September 2013 at 03:20  
Blogger non mouse said...

Citation for above: wan and of a leden hewe. ( CYT 728.)

All above quotes taken from:
Benson, Larry D., General Ed. The Riverside Chaucer. 3rd Ed. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1987.

24 September 2013 at 03:27  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

It would take extraordinary mercy indeed to forgive these men for their sin. Sitting in the West it's easy to affirm such forgiveness, but it isn't ours to give. May God be with His children left here on earth, may His Love uphold them and be their strength to overcome all evil. More than conquerors, our brothers and sisters in Christ, crowned with glory our brothers and sisters at His side.

24 September 2013 at 05:07  
Blogger Gregory Morris said...

Anoninbelfast

I agree that we can only forgive those who trespass against us but we can surely affirm that God does not desire the death of a sinner and that hew includes our enemies in the command that all Men everywhere be reconciled to God by repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is not willing that any should perish.

Whoever has an ear to hear let him hear (by the grace of the Spirit of God)

24 September 2013 at 06:58  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Christian martyr 'I will die for my faith'

Muslim martyr 'YOU will die for my faith.'

Nauseating to hear the BBC refer to the killers as militants.

24 September 2013 at 07:57  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rambling Steve,

These recent incidents have demonstrated to me, to a far more graphic degree, how biased and determined the BBC are, to not see truth, or inform their viewers. I simply can not look at their twisted news offerings, or much else.

24 September 2013 at 08:29  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Let us peel this onion,the cia who run the muslim thugs in all the countries recently conquered by the American shadow government ,are actively de-stabilising the government of Kenya,this is just the most recent attempt,to enable soteros cousin to take control,its secondary purpose is to terrify americans into believing that an attack upon one of their shopping malls is imminent,so that they are willing to give up more of their rights for "safety".Pakistan(pure land)has ethnically clensed all other religions from their country,these unfortunate people who are being butchered are just the remnants of the remaining Christians.
The same thing will happen here,as the numbers of muslims increase,it is already happening on a small scale,while they gauge our response,to the attacks upon our people and social systems,which is nothing other than vasilating cowardice by our "leaders",who for the new world agenda have implemented the destruction and dissolution of our country and its people,as all European governments are by flooding our countries with savage peoples whom we have no defence against,we were "vile fascists"years ago,but now you can not ignore the threat whatever excuses you make,typing will not provide the solution,what are you going to do?

24 September 2013 at 08:37  
Blogger LEN said...

Inspector..surely by know by now that a 'born again Christian has already given up his life?. Not physically but spiritually which in God`s eyes amounts to the same thing.

'Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;(2Timothy 2:11)'

Anyway this is not a theology debate nor is this about trying to 'get one over' on anyone this is a far to serious matter for that.Please focus on the persecuted Church!.

24 September 2013 at 08:46  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Gregory Morris:

God desires that none shall perish (2 Peter 3:9), but that's because perishing is a very real possibility (2 Peter 2:passim; 3:1-7).

24 September 2013 at 11:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Does one detect the slightest Christian compassion for the murderers who will eventually be divinely judged ?

Well, they are already gone, no more, zapped, rubbed out. Nothing remains of them. They just don’t know it yet.

It’s been made perfectly clear to us that if we mess up in this life, that’s all we had. This life on Earth.

Why is this so hard to accept by some ?

So, with that in mind, let’s hear no more of this compassion. It rather disgusts, don’t you know...


24 September 2013 at 11:31  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Len said..

Carry on that man.

The RC's are only jealous that their 'chaps' in scarlet cloth have no influence whatsoever over the regions they are talking about.

They even have their top bloke saying atheists are forgiven their sins and have eternal life despite the sacrifice made on a cross nearly 2000 years ago....and he claims a direct hotline to the almighty!!

Ernst is always surprised at the large number of RC's that gather around the foot of His Grace's table yet they constantly regurgitate his generous offerings back up like a bunch of starved bulimic beggars. Who can comprehend such illogical nonsense.

Keep that pecker up, old boy.

Blowers

24 September 2013 at 11:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Saints be praised, Blowers has been restored to life !

Just the smell of bodily decay about him to deal with now :->

24 September 2013 at 11:39  
Blogger Ivan said...


The outlook for the safety and well-being of the minorities in Pakistan, never rosy at the best of times appear very grim for the next few years. The Taliban appears on course to consolidate its hold over the Pashtun regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. As the NATO, largely, US forces wind down in Afghanistan we can expect more such atrocities from Sunni terrorists who balk at nothing to terrorise the remaining minorities, whether they be secular Muslims, Christians, Shiites or the few remaining Sikhs. The lot of these people is very sad indeed.

24 September 2013 at 11:52  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

OIG

Just close your eyes and pinch your nose, old sport...It's what I do when reading the prose from the RC contingent here. Works wonders every time.

Now do try to keep down His Grace's generous offerings this week..It's eternally good for you rather than the tosh served up by your compatriot Damian Thompson. High in daily spiritual vitamins that a growing believer needs to take, rather than the spiritual Scurvy that abounds amongst the RC congregation here.

Good news is that it is curable with the correct dietary measures and as you are in the correct blog, stay put but do try to swallow and keep the daily lesson down...Aah Aah Ahh... without putting those front two fingers down your gullet, there's a fine fellow

Toodle pip. old chap.

Blowers

24 September 2013 at 11:59  
Blogger LEN said...

Nice to see you back Ernst and in good form!

The amount of Catholics swarming around His Graces tables is somewhat surprising?. Looking for any scraps because they are not fed at home as you quite rightly state. They must be starving.

24 September 2013 at 12:33  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len, you come over really well when read in a Peter Lorre accent....

24 September 2013 at 12:52  
Blogger LEN said...

Your`e showing your age now Inspector.(I only just remember Peter Lorre)

24 September 2013 at 13:21  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Englishman writes '... typing will not provide the solution, what are you going to do?'

Fair comment. Mosque burning does not present itself as an acceptable option. Communication is less than useless but clearly insufficient.

I am going to send some more money to Open Doors and also to UKIP. We can't even slow down Islamification of the UK let alone start to reverse it until we leave the EU.

24 September 2013 at 13:41  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Inspector

It's not so much compassion as forgiveness - and its purpose is not primarily related to the perpetrators but the surviving victims. As you point out, the attackers are no more. They have gone to stand before the Lord, as have those they killed. The outcome of this meeting we may, with good cause, suspect will be different for both groups. What we can say with absolute certainty, however, is that the Lord will judge rightly.

That's why forgiveness. It's not to turn a blind eye to evil, it's to say that it will be under the judgment of God, and by so doing to affirm that we also are under His judgment.

24 September 2013 at 15:22  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Belfast, when it comes to forgiveness the Inspector oft feels he is walking this planet alone. You see, to him, and mainly to him it appears, Christian forgiveness starts with the transgressors begging for it. Note, begging for it, not waiting for it to be sent first class by the victims’ families, or come to that, by the likes of you. And besides, the perpetrators who have survived are far too busy celebrating and perhaps even firing their weapons in the air to notice you crawling around on the ground with an outstretched hand holding a piece of paper with “I forgive you” written on it.

Brendan Behan wrote of streams of whiskey. But streams of forgiveness ? Is it that cheap these days ?


24 September 2013 at 15:38  
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24 September 2013 at 16:07  
Blogger LEN said...

Forgiveness is a decision to be obedient to the Lord.
Not a response to a 'transgressor'..

Easy to say not so easy to do.

24 September 2013 at 17:19  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

Forgiveness is giving up the hatred and the desire for vengeance. It is rightly considered superhuman in its purest form, and in the few who can actually let go of anger and grief like that, God works amazing things.

But for most of us, it's beyond what we can manage. Look at the life and death of Maximilian Kolbe, of whom even the SS in Auschwitz said "we have never seen anything like this man."

http://auschwitz.dk/Kolbe.htm

24 September 2013 at 20:13  
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25 September 2013 at 00:11  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

The Inspector at 15:38. Bang-on, right.

25 September 2013 at 21:52  
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26 September 2013 at 08:58  
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26 September 2013 at 08:58  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Inspector

"Is it that cheap these days ?"

Forgiveness has never been cheap Inspector. God bought it with the most precious thing He had.

26 September 2013 at 11:51  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Here’s a thought Belfast, as you try to drown muslim thugs in forgiveness...

Of the races that have embraced Islam, are we even sure they still have a word, if they ever did, that equates to ‘forgive’ ?

And if they don’t have a word, then how can they possess a sentiment of forgiveness ? If they are unable to forgive others, then that might go a long way to explain their daily uncivilised behaviour, and why this man views them as lesser types.

In other words, are you speaking Greek to these people. How can you forgive someone when they have no concept of what you are talking about ?

(Note to oneself. That should shut him up for quite a while...}

26 September 2013 at 18:03  
Blogger Len said...

The 'Lords Prayer' asks God to forgive us AS we forgive others.


I certainly don`t want to be held to account to God so I will do as He asks!.

26 September 2013 at 18:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One is not a stranger to the Lord’s prayer, Len, and sees that part being to remind that forgiveness is to be on offer. That’s not the problem. It’s the qualifiers for forgiveness that need to be recognised. Do YOU recognise any ?

26 September 2013 at 18:26  
Blogger Len said...

He who is without sin Inspector?.

It is probably relatively easy to forgive'little sins'but when one sees atrocities committed against humanity especially ones brothers and sisters forgiveness becomes almost impossible unless it is through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Revenge is a fairly common human emotion and 'revenge' is the plot behind many successful films because people can totally identify with it'.Forgiveness' is a fairly alien notion to many people.

If we disobey God and hold unforgiveness in our heart it not only harms us but gives the 'accuser of the brethren'material' to accuse us with.

If we live in God`s Grace and extend that Grace to others there is no grounds on which the accuser to charge us before God.

So 'forgiveness' is a protection against' accusation'.Satan knows the Law far better than most of us and will(if given the chance) use the law against us.

We can demand the Law (OT law)this will of course equally work against us, but Grace is far better!.

It is not easy to say how we will react to situations until we are actually in that situation(theory is fine) I have learnt this hard lesson from bitter experience.I do not underestimate how hard forgiveness is in certain situations.

26 September 2013 at 20:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What are you on about, you damned fool ? Forgiveness is some kind of insurance against liability ?

Are you bloody mad !

Look, you thick, God sees all. Perhaps our creator appreciates a bit of honesty in his human creation, something obviously beyond your devious self...



26 September 2013 at 20:54  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Inspector

I feel sure that God appreciates honesty above falsity in approaching Himself - since the former at least is not seeking to deceive the Undeceivable and the latter almost always ends up deceiving themselves.

The question you asked of me is an important one, and I do not have an answer in the sense of a statement of reply. What I would ask in return is how you know what forgiveness is - not merely the word, but how you know what the thing you associate with the word is.

My own understanding is impossible to separate from the fact that I am forgiven. For myself, I learnt its meaning by Someone else forgiving me in my ignorance. I think that God first reaches out to us, and that this is Grace; I think that He loves before we are fit to be loved, or can return even the palest imitation of love towards Him; and I think He forgives even though we can never repay what it cost Him to do so.

What do you think?

27 September 2013 at 04:47  
Blogger Len said...

Inspector I seem to have hit' a raw nerve' with you which is probably a reason for your response?

Unforgiveness is a serious issue with God and also has adverse affects upon those unable to forgive others.That is why Jesus warns us about the effects."And his lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. "

Those who are unable to forgive suffer torment sometimes for a lifetime.Forgivenss releases them.

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27 September 2013 at 14:36  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len, it is clear you do not know what you are going on about when you talk about forgiveness. It is though for the rest of us highly refreshing to see you naked before us, with nothing to copy and paste from those extreme Protestant sites on the internet. How remiss of them to let you down in your thread of need. One supposes that those who put up their questionable sites are too focused towards knocking the crap out of the RCC to worry about a comparatively small issue like forgiveness.

And so here you are. On your own.

Still, while you are here, do inform this man if in your opinion forgiveness is conditional or not; HIS question to you which you are avoiding. Is it automatic to ‘forgive’ your assailant, as is the whelp you issue when he attacks you. Is forgiveness a gift from within ? Hardly a gift if it’s forced from you, is it, more of a tax then. Is the forgiver required to find some sort of relief by forgiving ? What are the transgressor’s undertakings before he receives forgiveness. Is the answer to the last one is nothing, by any chance ?

And consider this, while I’m lying on the floor with the life bleeding out of me, why on God’s earth do I have a ‘duty of care’ for the soul of the unrepentant bastard who put me there ???

The bottom line is this: Forgiveness is a part of Christianity, but its intricacies were never defined. It’s subjective. It’s what ever you are comfortable with and there is nothing that you or anyone else can do to change that…





27 September 2013 at 17:27  
Blogger Len said...

Inspector....I can only repeat what I have already said and hope it eventually sinks in?.
I have given you scriptures regarding forgiveness which you seem to want to disregard in favour of your own 'opinions'.If you want to make up your own religion please feel free to do so but please don`t call it 'Christianity'. Jesus quite plainly(well plainly enough for me that is)taught that forgiveness IS unconditional. Jesus taught his disciples about the importance of forgiveness: “Then Peter came and said to him, ‘Lord, if another sins against me, how often should I forgive? As many as seven times?’ Jesus said to him: ‘Not seven times, but, I tell you, 77 times’ (Matt 18. 21-22).”

Seems pretty 'unconditional' to me.

27 September 2013 at 22:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len. Do not allow your mere humble opinion to deny this man his Christianity, there’s a good fellow...

Your ability to quote from scripture without any understanding is of course legendary. It’s just so many words to you, isn’t it - like learning your times table by rote...

28 September 2013 at 12:53  
Blogger Len said...

Inspector,
Jesus gives us several direct commands one of which is to be 'born again' another is to' forgive others'.There are more.
Jesus also said;
John 14:24 Anyone who doesn't love me will not do what I say. And remember, my words are not my own. This message is from the Father who sent me.
(I don`t think I can add anymore to what I have already said)

28 September 2013 at 13:41  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

But Len, the Inspector is ‘born again’. He has risen from the corruption into which he found himself born, and embraced Christianity. And he does forgive others. For example, you in your arrogant ignorance were forgiven a mere 30 minutes ago...

28 September 2013 at 13:53  
Blogger Len said...

Thanks Inspector... mutually agreed then?.

28 September 2013 at 16:46  
Blogger Len said...

Just one last word inspector ...something that is bothering me...you seem to imply that you have risen somewhat like the phoenix...by your own efforts?.

Is this a Catholic thing?.

28 September 2013 at 21:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Yes

28 September 2013 at 21:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Did you like that. You ask a question at 21:31 and get your answer at 21:32

Must have been the Holy Spirit that took this man out of his chair and into the lap top room at the appropriate time. No doubt the Holy Spirit is furious with you...

28 September 2013 at 21:37  
Blogger Len said...

Inspector... by your own admission you are attempting to be your own' saviour '.You have joined a 'salvation system' which doesn`t need Christ.This is entirely my point and what you have in common with those who refuse to submit to God`s ordained method of salvation but through pride and arrogance have devises a 'system of salvation' of their own.

The Cross of Jesus Christ causes offence to people because it states that we cannot do anything to save ourselves.

No further questions,you have made everything crystal clear.


29 September 2013 at 11:02  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


by your own admission you are attempting to be your own' saviour '.

No such admission made, you damned liar.


29 September 2013 at 12:30  

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