Greece prolongs the agony

“...there's a specialAs Hamlet defied augury, he submitted to the inevitable: matters of life and death are beyond man’s control. It is God who determines such matters, and in these words he echoes those of Jesus:
providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now,
'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be
now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the
readiness is all.”
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father."As with the sparrow, so it is with the Greek euro. There is an inevitability about its fall: ‘if it be not now, yet it will come.’ Whether now or in the future, Greece will leave the euro because her people will not bear the burden of interminable years of ‘austerity’. Chancellor Merkel of Germany all but ordered the Greeks to vote to stick to their agreements and remain in the euro: “I can only warn everyone against leaving the currency union,” she said. “The internal cohesion of the euro zone would be in danger." In this she was joined by Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the Euro Group, who lectured: "If the radical left wins - which cannot be ruled out - the consequences for the currency union are unforeseeable."
And so the choice was that of a rock or a hard place: between the austerity-supporting New Democracy party on the right, or the liberating austerity-rejecting Syriza party on the left. This election was essentially a referendum on euro membership and the rebirth of the drachma. For the EU, ‘ever closer union’ precludes any restoration of national sovereignty. But if democracy is seen to be subverted by external forces – in this case Berlin and Brussels – we are only storing up and civil unrest, political upheaval and revolution.
A New Democracy coalition – a very unstable one with the centre-left Pasok socialists – is now likely between the pro-EU, pro-euro, pro-austerity majority. If not formal coalition, there will be enormous pressure for ‘cooperation’ to save the euro. The quest will be led by Antonis Samaras, who hailed the election result as a ‘victory for Europe’. He will lead, he says, a government of ‘national salvation’.
And so the nightmare continues: more renegotiation of terms, more loans from the EU and the IMF, more debt, more recession, more burden, more bailout, more austerity, more job cuts, more salary cuts, more pension cuts, more unemployment, more poverty, more homelessness, more suffering, more social tensions, more protests, more civil unrest, more lectures from Berlin and warnings from Brussels.
There is nothing new under the sun: the sparrow will fall, as providence decrees.

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Whoever controls the economy of a country, controls the country.
For those with Bibles, The reading for today is: Revelation 13.
"What the whole Chapter?" Yep!.
This election changes nothing. They won't deliver because they can't deliver.
Due to "Spanish flu" the whole EZ could blow up before Greece gets around to leaving.
The sky could be raining sparrows.
This really is becoming the death by a thousand slices!
They give money to Greece, it rises and then falls, money is given to Spain's banks..they rise and fall. Greece elects a new group of politicians and the market rises and falls.
This madness will not stop until we are all bankrupt and there is nothing to quantitative with or about...and yet the markets and banks make more money from our misery.
Come. Lord Jesus!
Ernst
It's grim indeed, Ernst. This communicant is reminded of the little boy who stuck his finger in the dyke and had to wait all night for help.
Each bail-out is just a bandaid that leaves the underlying problem unresolved. When you look at youth unemployment of over 50% in Greece and Spain you know that a great deal of bitterness is being created. These young men and women are entitled to believe that the system has failed them. And yet Merkel says, we must defend the system. Unless a politician acts very soon on behalf of these young, they will simply destroy the system that has failed them.
Then, what?
Cheer up Cranny - Celebrate that at least you're not Syrian - what the f*** have we got to moan about compared to the rest of all the poor sods over there.
There is nothing new under the sun: the sparrow will fall, as providence decrees.
I am not sure about providence, but the LOGIC of basic economics dictates absolutely that countries such as Greece will leave The Euro.
HOWEVER
We do not live in times dictated to by Logic or basic economics, we are existing during the END of TIMES.
Therefore what should undoubtedly happen, and will undoubtedly happen are as far apart as they can be.
What WILL happen is economic disaster on a biblical scale, followed by a so called solution of an equally biblical scale.
To cut a long and painful story short.
This will be a One World Currency, under a One World Government, dictated to by the private owners of a One World Bank, as was forecast by Karl Marx.
This closely followed by ALL of the very nastiest things which have always closely followed Marxist so called revolutions in the past.
Please be reminded that our establishment is not free anything, never mind free-market capitalist, it is Cabalist.
Which, in political, economic and social terms means a MONOPOLISTIC combination of left and right, sometimes known a Fascism, although Marxism, or our Worst Possible Nightmare Come True, will do just as well.
Very troubling times YG,
Believe me, as the banks continue to profit Antisemitism will rear its evil head again in Europe.
It won't be long.
Please note that the above does not of necessity mean that countries such as Greece will not at some future time leave the Euro.
It could be that the PLAN includes such a thing seeming to actually happen. ( Our masters have at least a plan A,B,C, and most likely a plan D,E, and F, as well, but the people have no plan whatsoever, indeed little more then a clue. )
At which time the powers that really be will turn the screw on these places even more, thus making those who were possibly thinking of doing likewise very quickly see leaving The EU or The Euro as no kind of practical alternative at all to the end of national government as we once thought we knew it.
The Battle is now being lost on all fronts, this is in spite of the fact that an increasing amount are finally waking up to their true reality.
We the people have indeed all the power we need to influence events in our favor, yet our masters are so well prepared, and the people so incredibly ignorant thanks in no small way to institutionally Marxist, and highly departmentalized organizations such as The BBC, and The LSE, that there seems little hope of anything positive happening under any circumstances I can yet imagine.
It is well past time for Divine Intervention, however given the established presence of highly secretive holographic technologies, I would not trust that a divine savior had actually arrived even if some resemblance of same appeared in the mid morning sky every day for a month or more.
IanCad said...
Very troubling times YG,
Believe me, as the banks continue to profit Antisemitism will rear its evil head again in Europe.
It won't be long.
18 June 2012 12:11
I have little doubt that this will be the case. Why try a new trick, when the old ones have served their purpose so well in the past?
All I can do is remind readers as to the religious institution which has long since promoted all forms of Anti-semitism.
Please refer to my earlier comments on a previous thread.
The truth of the matter is as unbelievable as it is historically proven.
At the very top of the pyramid structure religion swiftly merges into just one. At the very top there is no real distinction between Jew, Christian, Muslim or Hindu, for they all work for a Common Purpose, even if they sometimes disagree on the exact details.
This Common Purpose is simple to describe.
It is to keep THEM up high, where THEY have long since been, and US as far down here, as they have long since murderously conspired to keep us.
The simplest way to understand this, is by recognizing that the way the world is run, has not essentially changed for many thousands of years.
Bluedog and ICad
It is much worse than grim! (I could not believe the nonsense the Spanish pm spoke after receiving billions to shore up the banks in Spain and that it would definitely lead to growth? How many billions has BoE pumped in to GB..ITS NOT AND WILL NOT WORK!!!).
Now it is only a matter of a short time and as the can gets kicked further down the road, we look up to see it was a bloom'n cul de sac all along!
A perfect storm, in more ways than one, that will light the tinder of Europe.
It was NATO that has kept the peace for over sixty years and not an impossible political and fiscal union. The latter has been the dream of every mad man that has ever risen on our continent.
Brace yourselves folks.
Ernst
Mr IanCad @ 12.11. Perhaps anti-Muslimism is more likely than Jewish anti-semitism.
Indeed Preacher ...Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Bluedog @ 13:17.
I'm sure they will be in the line of fire, but they are not perceived as being controllers of the currency.
The Jews have always been blamed for major social upheavals, and so it shall ever be.
The saddest part in all this is that it clearly shows that The West is now a short-term thinking society that is so given over to the idea of immediate satisfaction that it gives no heed to the future and what their actions in the now will bring.
And given that Germany suffered from this sort of problem as a result of voting in Hitler you'd think they would be jumping up and down, screaming at the top of their voices until the Greeks leave the Euro, so they can stop throwing their money down the never-ending Greek swanny!
But no, we have a Germany-led EuroZone declaring that Greece must stay or else the rest will suffer, rejecting the simple fact that they do not have the ability to save all the Euro-using countries from this mess on their own.
If ever euthanasia were a suitable option, delivering it to all the politicians who are in favour of all this insanity is surely it, if only to stop it taking Britain with it, and possibly also America!
Your Grace. One of Joseph Stalin’s favourite English sayings “You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”
Greece is today’s egg, who’s next then…
No pain, no gain, as they say. EU Marxism isn’t about to put the shutters up and go out of business. It has to burn down…
However, deep unease still there after Merkel warned of ‘war’. Perhaps German money was a ‘secured loan’, if you catch this man’s drift…
The Chancellor’s adventure in Government has been turned into a test of endurance. He is trapped by the economic crisis raging all around him, powerless, upended, clinging on while external forces batter Britain. The economy has sprung leaks and may yet sink. Westminster is running out of analogies to describe the horror the Government is going through. Another way to illustrate the mood among ministers and officials confronted with the euro crisis and our teetering economy is to imitate Munch’s The Scream: hands to head, mouth opened in a howl of despair. Certainly behind the scenes I understand the feeling of worry, bordering on fear, is palpable. The prospect of an economic cataclysm terrifies the upper reaches of the Government. In public it is all confident smiles, but in private they are dead scared. Politically, meanwhile, every assumption has been ground to ashes. Instead of recovery leading to re-election, all they can see ahead is stagnation and uncertainty. Is there anything that can be done? Mr Osborne says “yes, but not much”. Some of his Tory colleagues say – none too loudly – “frankly, no, we’re stuffed”. Others, though, say “yes, plenty”.
What the British economy needs above all thing is a resolution that brings certainty to the fate of the euro and its members. This argument carries force because it is self-evident. We are sufficiently entwined with the eurozone to make us dependent on its success, or lack of it. The majority view seems to be that Mr Osborne is right nothing will affect our prospects like an end to the uncertainty tearing apart the euro. Markets, companies, even governments, have put everything on hold while we wait. And wait. But a policy of wait and see immediately invites questions. For a start it shows ministers as powerless and paralysed while they hope for something to turn up.
Mr Osborne may well be right about the overwhelming nature of the external crisis Britain faces, The Treasury is trying hard to resist the temptation to wish things would get worse. There are plenty on the Conservative side who are beginning to think that whatever the dangers, a sudden, cathartic moment which saw Greece or others ejected from the eurozone, or even a disorderly break-up of the single currency, would be better than the long-term damage done by years of stagnation. Better a short, sharp disaster now, than one that goes on and on.
We understand too well the appeal of such a logic. A total meltdown is a very risky thing to wish for. Once you start to look at the implications, it’s quite terrifying. It’s for that reason the Chancellor appears to have decided – reluctantly – to urge the Europeans on towards some kind of fiscal union that might bring stability to the euro. It may stick in the throat though because we don’t really believe in it.
Hi your Grace,
I think the blog Zero Hedge has got it right:
"The Eurozone "drama" is now in re-runs and I for one am switching channels. Nothing will change until some critical part of the worm-eaten, corrupt construct of artifice and denial collapses in a heap. Until then, all we have is replays of the same boring plot lines:
Put-upon Greece: We were just minding our business here in the sunny south, living happily on borrowed billions in a thoroughly corrupt Status Quo, and suddenly we're debt-serfs squeezed by rapacious Eurozone enforcers of the banking cartel. What did we do to deserve this? It's not fair.
Put-upon Germany: We were just minding the store here, racking up 40% of our GDP in exports and raking in bank profits loaning money to our Eurozone compatriots, when suddenly everyone who's lived beyond their means demands that we refinance their debts because we're rich. Excuse us, but did anyone look at how we got rich? Hard work, cuts in spending, high taxes and a tight lid on wages. What did we do to deserve this? It's not fair.
Married couple in counseling: France and Germany: It's all his/her fault. They never bothered to understand me, etc."
I would add that, as predicted, Germany is now being cast as the villian of this peice. I suspect that what needs to happen is for Germany to leave the Euro. Best possible outcome .
I agree with the two women
Well done Anna and Naomi, more sense than I have read in weeks
As a side issue, if you have not growth, and Italy has had no growth for 10 years or so. Then borrowing at 4% means no future for your kids.
Borrowing at 7% or more is just stupid!
Phil
Naomi King is plagiarising Benedict Brogan's Telegraph report.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100164758/osborne-can-only-pray-as-the-storm-in-europe-rages/
Enough Woman!!!!!
"This will be a One World Currency, under a One World Government, dictated to by the private owners of a One World Bank, as was forecast by Karl Marx.
This closely followed by ALL of the very nastiest things which have always closely followed Marxist so called revolutions in the past."
How tiresome. I was rather hoping for cheaper olives.
Come on Croatia; come on Italy!
Now here's a gem from a Reuters report on the G20 meeting in Mexico, 'Frankly, we are not coming here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to run our economy," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.'
Fail on both counts, Jose Manuel.
That's precisely the problem in the EU.
Your Grace,
Have you noticed that when you post about anything other than gays and gay marriage this blog goes quite quiet - 22 comments on this one (do any of these guys worry about the jobs or pensions?) but as soon as you mention the word gay they get to 100-200? (which will NOT effect jobs and pensions). Does this tell you something about the sex obsessed nature of some communicants?
Anna, Inspector comments, whatever the weather....
Inspector,
I guess you do. And anyway, if you weren't around, the blog would be much duller-Yourself, Ernsty, Alpha Draconis & Len all make this blog a brighter and more diverse place!
Office of Inspector General said...
Your Grace.
No pain, no gain, as they say. EU Marxism isn’t about to put the shutters up and go out of business. It has to burn down…
Dear Inspector
It is good to see that we agree on something.
Indeed I suspect that we agree on more then you might like to believe.
What you don't seem to want to grasp, is the evidence which very much suggests that Marxism is based on The Roman Catholic system, as was Nazism and its Jesuit styled Gestapo.
Authoritarian WORLD sized dictatorship from the very top, down to the very bottom.
Given your blind allegiance to the dictatorial authority of Mother Church, surely The EU and all that goes with it, should logically be your most favored option.
You are right to assert that The EU must burn down, but who is to light the flame?
Violent reaction of any kind is not only not the answer for a christian to be espousing, it is not an answer full stop.
Dictatorships of the Marxist or otherwise kind simply love violence and all other forms of mindless destruction. For this gives the respective establishment more excuses to use the full force of state repression to further enslave the ordinary people.
IMO, if there be any answer at all to our common situation, forgotten concepts such as peace, unity, and above all TRUTH, must be at the very heart of it.
The common people must peacefully unite in TRUTH, or violently perish in a whole heap of deliberately divisive lies.
Atlas
The Catholic Church is the most successful and enduring organisation in human history. Indeed, one could say it is a proto-type of successful organisations. Some mistake this internal organisational structure as Catholicism - it isn't. As if it exists for itself - it doesn't.
Why wouldn't others copy it? The issue is the culture within the organisation and the purpose for which it is used.
In the past, there have been times when the Church of Christ fell into wrong hands and times when it went in wrong directions. It is a pilgrim church. It has made mistakes in behaviour. It is human. However, according to the Bible, it will be protected and always come through its trials and always stay true to Christ and its mission to spread His Truth and bring people to Him.
Do not confuse the organisational structures and intent of Nazism and Communism with the Mystical Body of Christ.
Do not confuse the organisational structures and intent of Nazism and Communism with the Mystical Body of Christ.
19 June 2012 00:14
I do not, I contend that this is what The RCC has long since been doing, albeit largely in secret.
You claim that the Mother Church has at certain times fallen into the wrong hands. I contend that it has always been in the wrong hands right from the very start, and still is in those hands.
I contend that nothing has really changed as far as The Powers That Be are concerned, since The Powers That Be first became The Powers That Be, many thousands of years before Jesus was conceived.
Also that The Sun is still to set, upon The Empire upon which The Sun never sets.
The RCC is not a role model for Empire, it was and still is THE EMPIRE, sometimes known as THE ALL SEEING EYE, or UNSEEN HAND.
You admit that there exists evidence that The RCC was once the most powerful organization of planet Earth, therefore could you please supply any evidence whatsoever which may suggest that this is no longer the case, or even a date at which this fall from absolute power was supposed to have happened?
I contend that you cannot do so, because none exists.
Merkel says she does not want Greece to leave the Euro. Which is odd , because Germany are playing 'em in the quarter final.
Atlas said ...
"You admit that there exists evidence that The RCC was once the most powerful organization of planet Earth"
Er, no. What I said was:
"The Catholic Church is the most successful and enduring organisation in human history. Indeed, one could say it is a proto-type of successful organisations."
Not the same thing at all. You ppresent evidence for what you claim!
Atlas and just who are 'The Powers That Be;? that first became 'The Powers That Be, many thousands of years before Jesus was conceived?
It's not the Catholic Church so who is it?
Let me please help you reach some form of clarity.
The power structure of this planet is as I am sure you know, predicated upon a pyramidal structure.
As time has proceeded none of the existing powers have vanished, but have simply moved further out of sight. That which was once at the top, still is.
Now days the only part of the pyramid which the ordinary people are permitted to see, recognize or even consider is the relatively lowly prime ministerial, or presidential level of mind control, known as government.
In other words almost the entire cap stone is missing from view.
I am not suggesting that every detail of how the world is run is decided by Jesuit priests busily conspiring within the walls of Vatican City, far from it.
Rather The Holy Mother Church is more like the head CEO of one perfectly enormous world wide corporation working on its single long term aim of complete and absolute world domination using any method at its disposal.
The particular devices used are many and varied, and therefore far too numerous to discus them all, suffice to say that they often involve the very worse aspects of human history, as well as some of the better.
The long established MO of The RRC is on a fundamental level remarkably simple, and therefore extremely effective given masses of patient workmanship, and plenty of cash.
Some call this problem, reaction solution, others thesis, ant-thesis, synthesis. It involves the setting up, or subversion, and therefore control of not only ones own organization, but also that of ones own perceived opposition.
Clever, or what?
It's not the Catholic Church so who is it?
19 June 2012 01:14
Oh yes it most definitely is
What would have been a more useful question would have been, from where does The RCC get its power?
The short answer is I DON'T KNOW, although I guess it is close or exactly from where The RCC claims that this power comes from.
For it is clear at least to myself that this power cannot ultimately be purely terrestrial in nature.
However many have speculated on this issue over countless millennia, no less scientists, theologians, and philosophers of the Christian variety.
Some call this power that of our creator GOD, some Satan, others alien beings, or divine spirits from far older and therefore almost infinitely more advanced civilizations then our own.
They could of course be the exact same thing. Holy scripture certainly leaves this question open to much heated debate, with evidence supporting many differing view-points.
The common people, as authors such as Ayn Rand observed, only have their power for logical thinking, and personal experience to help guide them towards a useful understanding of their true reality.
She concluded, using her considerable intellect that belief systems where a mind control mechanism deliberately placed before the profane to confuse and so help exploit the masses into enslaved servitude to the will of the existing elect or hierarchy.
However of this you can be safely assured. The relatively limited, although still extremely mighty powers that be on this particular rock, namely the corporation known as The Roman Catholic Church, know for sure, far more then they have any intention of letting on to the likes of you or me.
Long and drawn out like most Greek tragedies, but the end is inevitable and will be as equally brutal. Their death throws might even linger beyond the 'belly-up' of other nations.
I only hope that we won't be too scorched in the final melt-down; but I'm not at all sure we can manage that particular trick.
'Greek Tragedy' versus 'Whitehall Farce' - what a pantomime!
... er, that's 'throes' and not ''throws'' grrr!
Atlas
The RCC is comprised of the Episcopal church and religious orders. Now, the whole thing is based on hierarchy. Indeed, its clergy and religious members are required to embrace Poverty, Chastity and Obedience. And of those three, the most important is Obedience.
Absolutely nothing sinister about that whatsoever. Remember, those who can find it within them to accept those constraints on their lives do so voluntarily and are free to leave at any time. As Dodo points out, it has made the RCC the most enduring organisation in history unless you know of anything older. Understandably, nefarious organisations will pick up on that success and attempt to emulate it. For example, Himmler, who loathed Christianity made damn sure his SS men had Obedience as the number one standing order.
You continue to maintain that the RCC is the root of all evil. One looks around and just can’t see it. So, to continue the investigation, the next step is to go to others who have the same opinion as you. After all, if it holds water, there must be plenty of co–agreement. But where are they ?
Could it be you are a lone voice spouting from conspiracy sites you come across. Think about it…
Anna
Partly true, perhaps, but probably more as the result that the interface between sexuality and religion finds strong voices on both sides from amongst His Grace's congregants, whereas on the politics of the EU, the vast majority of us sing broadly from the same songsheet (even if we do so for very very different reasons). There are only so many times one can post "hear hear", or "the EUSSR's time will soon be up" before it gets old (in a single comment thread).
Worth noting too that many voices on both sides of the sexuality argument stay silent on other topics. If the charge of sex-obsession applies, it would seem to apply fairly evenly.
Atlas
Logic isn't really your thing, is it?
It is the Catholic Church, then it isn't!
"Oh yes it most definitely is"
"Oh no it isn't - look behind you!
The power behind the Throne comes from where?
"The short answer is I DON'T KNOW, although I guess it is close or exactly from where The RCC claims that this power comes from."
" ... this power cannot ultimately be purely terrestrial in nature."
"Some call this power that of our creator GOD, some Satan, others alien beings, or divine spirits from far older and therefore almost infinitely more advanced civilizations then our own.
They could of course be the exact same thing. Holy scripture certainly leaves this question open to much heated debate, with evidence supporting many differing view-points."
Well,I guess we're all clear then!
What I hear is that the Greeks are buying as much as they can on credit cards. They figure, that when the banking system collapses, they will loose their savings, but it will balanced somewhat by their credit card debt.
For the Greek financial system though, this is double trouble.
Papers today had “Greece out of Euro”. A football reference of course, but one feels the banner headline has been put on a side table for expected reuse soon...
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